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#41

Undergrounds / Re: Jay Kennedy's Ug collectio...

Last post by wpbooks - October 05, 2008, 05:02:46 PM

Makes me wish I still lived in Columbus......

#42

Undergrounds / Re: The big Underground Collec...

Last post by dr_s - October 05, 2008, 01:35:14 PM

I would say a minimum percent (75) of Kennedy, or a very near complete collection of a major artist like Crumb or many keys Zap 1 - Ozone 1 - Snatch 1 - etc) or maybe a lot of art. I would also say that their comic art collection/comic collection would be worth $100k or more)  the people on the list that I knew all had Zap 1s, Lennys, Godnose, and things like that. They all have 20 - 30 or more cartons of pre-1982 stuff. My Philly friend has over 700 Crumb pages to supplement his ug collection of maybe 1000-2000 ugs. He has many keys like Catalog Comix, multiple Zap 1s, Zippyscope , and etc. Face it, if one needed almost anything in Donahue's catalogs they probably did not have a big collection.

#43

Undergrounds / Re: The big Underground Collec...

Last post by 50Cent #II (1st print) - October 05, 2008, 12:12:27 PM

I got the list from various guides, checklists, etc. that have these collectors credited.

#44

Undergrounds / Re: The big Underground Collec...

Last post by McDope - October 05, 2008, 11:40:24 AM

So what dictates a serious ug collector?

Is it the # of UG's  they have?  What are some of the keys one would need to have in their collection?

Thanks

#45

Undergrounds / Re: The big Underground Collec...

Last post by thillaj - October 05, 2008, 12:20:28 AM

Thought this might be interesting, can a list be compiled of the big Ug-C collectors (not dealers like Donahue, SideBottoms, Robert L. Beerbohm, Jim Pitts or Terry Stroud, but collectors -Weist is/was both)?

I'll start with the ones listed in some of the books.

Jay Kennedy (deceased)
Bruce Seamans (and I'm told his brother was once a collector also)
"1stComix"
**"Dr_S" (Arnie)
Malcolm Whyte (collection now owned by John Dolmayan)
Dan Florian
*Shelby Kirch  (X)
Robert K. Wiener
Jerry Weist
*Bill Desmond
Bhob Stewart
*Bruce Sweeney
*Marc Von Arx
*John Godin
Clay Geerdes (deceased)
Jim Vadeboncoeur
Bob Eagelston
*George Erling
Dick Swan
John Thompson (deceased)
Tom Brinkmann
Richard Bruning
Robert Cavey
Bill Devine
Bill Emerson (JustKidsNostalgia)
Marc Gabler
Peggy Rita
Robert "Scotty" Scotellaro
Bob Stewart
Dave Toplitz  (X)
Norman Witty
Robert Abell
Walter Bachner  (X)
Chris Duffy
Brad Foster
Bill Fowler
Fred Greenberg
Dave Hollis
Larry Jahn
Fred Knorr  (X)
Mike Koukoutsakis
Mike Krasowski
Curt Metz
Tucker Petertil
Steven Raskin
Jake Schaffner
Ron Thompson
Jerry Tomasiewicz
Jack Venooker
Richard Wayne (deceased)
"Thillaj"

(Note that real names from this list is from publications published over 25 years ago and many of these collectors no longer collect, have sold off their collections or have passed away.  This is not a top secret list with contact info. of names newly discovered by me, but names clearly available to anyone who purchases the Kennedy Guide, Fogel's Guide (notice I did not include anyone from that Guide that wasn't included in previous publications except Malcolm Whyte who no longer has his collection), Illustrated Checklist to Underground Comix and the R. Crumb Checklist.)

-Suspected (U.K.) collectors:
Mal Burns
Dez Skinn
David Huxley (there is a long list of names in the Acknowledgements of his book "Nasty Tales" that could be added).

* = (mentioned in more than one publication)
collections sold to "Dr_S" =  (X)

Did I miss anyone or list someone that shouldn't be included?

For current UG collectors, we should probably add **"Zonker" (assuming from his UGComix.info website), "OldMilwaukee6er", "Over40Artist", "Reverend", "Artystyc", "dbcues", "Brother J", **"Sir Real", "ComicWiz", "Dr. Benway" and "Visitor Q" from this forum and there's a few from eBay ("Mirabelle", etc. ) that come up a lot that I've forgotten their eBay names.

I'll keep my name [50cent #II (1st print)] off the list for now, as I've only been collecting for a little over a year and only have a couple keys.

"TreeLover" who is rumored to have the biggest collection of Undergrounds on the planet said in April 2007 "First generation included people like Shelby Kirch, Jerry Weist, Walter Bachener, Sandy Cutler, Jay Kennedy of course, maybe Rick Wayne, Glenn Bray, and Scheiman, forgive me for forgetting some others. Lynch, Kitchen, and Turner have massive collections. Someone ought to compile a short history of underground collectors and the origins and fate of their collections, before we fade into dust with our yellowing collections...."

Dr_S. replied " You forgot Dave Topliz and Bill Emerson in you first generation. I am still collecting. Rick's collection went to his brother. I got Dave's, Shelby's, and Bachner's. Kennedy's collection is up for grabs. The other's I don't know what happened to them."

I don't understand the list.. It appears to be 25 years old. I know of e=at least three you left off, but I go with Jason and won't list them. As for your list, several are dead:
I know for sure of Jay Kennedy, Clay Geerdes, John Thompson,, and Richard Wayne
Several do not collect any more: Robert K. Wiener, Jerry Weist,  Bill Devine, Norman Witty,
Others sold or are selling their collection: Bruce's brother sold his to Bruce, Emerson was the JUSTKIDSNOSTALGIA auction, Thillaj, Dan Florian.
and I think Fred Greenberg is out of it. Haven't seen him in years.
Of course there are the ones who sold out to me: Toplitz, Kirch, Bachner, and Knorr,
I wonder whatever happened to Chris Duffy. I used to buy from him at the Chicago cons 2 decades ago.

By the way, what happened to the second list?

I got most of Clay Geerdes' stuff from David Miller about 8 years ago.

["Professional Grading" is a SCAM]

#46

POLICIES you'll never read / "Professionaly Graded" comix

Last post by Comix Junky - October 04, 2008, 10:35:00 AM

"Professional Grading" is a SCAM

Any 10 year old can grade a comic.
Charging for the "service" is a con game, dishonest, and unethical.
What if you had to pay extra, to a private for-profit company, to have your meat graded at the market?
Would that be reliable or safe?
would that make your meat better?

Anything negitive you've heard about PGX is also true about CGC,
CGC is just more subtile about it.

Ethically I can not, and will not alow buying, selling, trading, or promoting "Proffesionaly Graded" comix on any site registered under my name.

This subject is not open for discussion.
Do not post replys.

- CJ

#47

POLICIES you'll never read / POLICYS - as of 10/4/2008

Last post by Comix Junky - October 04, 2008, 09:58:32 AM

POLICYS
as of  10/4/2008

This is a Research and Reffrence site.
We are building the best Underground Comix Guide we can.
http://headcomix.info/wiki/doku.php

For socializing we suggest
http://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Forum7-1.aspx

Commercial activity is not allowed
No buying, selling, trading, or promoting of goods, auctions, or retail sites.

Censorship can suck my hairy dick.
With titles like "Cunt" and "Snatch" we can't be perticular about what words you use.
But please be polite and respectful of other posters.

We reserve the authority to edit or remove posts to fit these policys.
(call that censorship if you want)

The "Archive" is from before these policys, so may not fit.
The "Archive" is READ ONLY.
Even if you figure out how to post there - DON'T
I wiill just delete your new post.

Check back in about a month.
These policys may change after we've had some time living with them.

- CJ

#48

Undergrounds / Re: Jay Kennedy's Ug collectio...

Last post by dr_s - October 04, 2008, 06:04:48 AM

When I last spoke to jay, he told me that he had over 15,000 items.
p.s. Good to see you back thill

#49

Undergrounds / Re: Jay Kennedy's Ug collectio...

Last post by thillaj - October 04, 2008, 01:13:05 AM

Here's a page on the library's site mentioning the collection: http://cartoons.osu.edu/jay_kennedy.php.

Jay Kennedy bequest

Jay Kennedy, the former Editor in Chief at King Features Syndicate who died in 2007, bequeathed his collection of underground comic books to The Ohio State University Cartoon Research Library.  The collection of more than 9,500 items is one of the most extensive in the world.   Kennedy, who authored the seminal reference work The Official Underground and Newave Comix Price Guide:  Listing Alternative Comix in the U.S. & Canada from 1962 to the Present (Boatner Norton Press: 1982), was an authority on underground comics.  A comics scholar, a gentleman, a lover of the 60s, and an artist himself, Kennedy held underground comics as not just an art movement, but also a social, political and cultural movement.

"We are honored that Jay bequeathed his collection to us," says Lucy Shelton Caswell, professor and curator of the library.  "It is a very substantial resource that will interest scholars in several areas."

The Jay Kennedy Collection will be housed in the library's secure, climate-controlled stacks so that the materials will be convenient for users in its reading room.  According to Caswell, work has begun to catalog these materials to make them available to researchers as soon as possible.

Brendan Burford, Kennedy's associate at King Features Syndicate, stated, "During the time I knew Jay Kennedy, I was fortunate to have him share many things with me, among them, his comic book collection. I got to know his collection very well as we worked together for several years cataloging its contents. It's a tremendous collection -- one that is unparalleled. I can't think of a better home for Jay's comic books than the OSU Cartoon Research Library. The collection will live on admirably."

About the Cartoon Research Library:  The Cartoon Research Library's primary mission is to develop a comprehensive research collection of materials documenting American printed cartoon art (editorial cartoons, comic strips, comic books, graphic novels, sports cartoons, and magazine cartoons) and to provide access to these collections.  The library is open Monday-Friday 9 a.m. to 5 p.m.  See http://cartoons.osu.edu/ for further information.

Note that the press release only said 9,500 items.  This is only his comix collection.  It does NOT include fanzines, underground newspapers, rock posters.  Those are still in the hands of Bruce Kennedy (brother) and are NOT part of the bequeath 

#50

Titles F to J / Foo #2 Printings

Last post by thillaj - October 04, 2008, 12:47:08 AM

Does anyone know if there were multiple printings of the Foo's, other than the Bijou reprints in 1980.  Legend (Bruce Semans) has it that Crumb did up some copies for a collector in the 1960's and that this looks different than his copy.  Can anyone shed some light.  Here's the front & back covers. 

Thanx,
     Alan