Anyone want a low grade Zap Comix #3 (true 1st print) for $85 + $4.80 Priority Mail shipping to the U.S. (insurance optional), Paypal. These are RARE. I not sure JK even had one of his own or why would he state glossy for 1st prints? There is not mistaking it, it's matte and about 3 times thicker than a glossy cover.
Quote from: 50Cent #II (1st print) on May 16, 2008, 06:17:25 PM
Anyone want a low grade Zap Comix #3 (true 1st print) for $85 + $4.80
Hmmmm .... I have 1st printings of Zap No's. 2, 4 & 5 that look better than the above. Wonder what THEY'D be worth, then?
-Projunior
Forgot the scans.
-Projunior
Zap #5 is very common.
Zap #4, not sure how to tell if it's a first print, seems to supposedly be a thicker cover but how thick?
Zap #2 is very rare and you'd have to post a pic. of the "Head First" page about 3/4 the way in for everyone to see if it's really a 1st print (if it is, then I'll pay $200 for a start, seems to be in about the 6.0 range). What condition would you grade those?
If they are really true 1st prints, then you should be able to get a pretty penny from them if you keep the grading in line as those aren't MINT. As you can see I'm asking for about what Fogel lists for this condition (not 150% above guide or something). Maybe there is a reason why you don't have a #3 first print?
Just, how rare is it? Kennedy didn't even list this one right, so I don't think there really are that many out there...
I sold this 5.0 range (honest, not over grading) one last week for $100, now this buyer knows what a real 1st print looks/feels like.
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50 cent said:
>Zap #5 is very common.
OK, didn't know that. Good info to have.
>Zap #4, not sure how to tell if it's a first print, seems to supposedly be a thicker cover but how thick?
Well, the FPG says thicker cover & no copyright. Mine fits both. I compared the cover with others of "normal" thickness & this one is definitely thicker.
>Zap #2 is very rare and you'd have to post a pic. of the "Head First" page about 3/4 the way in for everyone to see if it's really a 1st print
The FPG says "bad trim on Head 1st." Dunno what that means, exactly, but here's mine so you can see for yourself.
>(if it is, then I'll pay $200 for a start, seems to be in about the 6.0 range). What condition would you grade those?
Hard to say. I'm an amateur in quality grading, having never done it before. Is it possible to tell just from cover scans or is more info needed?
>If they are really true 1st prints, then you should be able to get a pretty penny from them if you keep the grading in line as those aren't MINT.
Yeah, I'd say that most of mine definitely aren't mint. <g> (Maybe some are near mint, tho. Hmmm .....)
> As you can see I'm asking for about what Fogel lists for this condition (not 150% above guide or something). Maybe there is a reason why you don't have a #3 first print? If there's a reason, then it's probably because the 1st print was sold out by the time I got that issue. I was living in Fresno, CA at the time & didn't have access to all the 1st printings coming out of the Bay Area.
>Just, how rare is it? Kennedy didn't even list this one right, so I don't think there really are that many out there...
I assume you mean the 3rd issue. Actually, I don't know how rare the 1st printing of that issue is. What did Kennedy get wrong about it?
-Projunior
That's not the 1st print of #2, sorry.
Kennedy states the first print of #3 is glossy, it's not.
Quote from: 50Cent #II (1st print) on May 17, 2008, 04:49:02 PM
That's not the 1st print of #2, sorry.
Kennedy states the first print of #3 is glossy, it's not.
Wait, are you talking about #2 or #3 now, since you mention both? My copy of Kennedy doesn't say anything about the cover of the 1st print of #2 being glossy. It just says heavy cover stock (70#), which mine seems to be. I never claimed to have a 1st printing of #3.
-Projunior
That pic. of "Head First" isn't from a first print of #2.
The JK lists the cover: glossy in the main text above 1st print for #3. He did this to refer to the first print as he does through the rest of the guide.
I am holding in my hands 2 copies of #3 one of which is definately glossy and has an obviously thinner cover stock than the other, but the other seems like it could be matte in relation to the first, as it is most certainly thicker cover stock to the touch, and not quite as shiny to the look, but I can't say for sure that it is matte. The more matte like issue is about 9 5/8" tall, while the glossier one is 9 7/8" tall. The matte-like one appears slightly darker color wise, than the glossy, but since their conditions are very similar, about 8.5 or so, it's really hard to tell....any comments on the size of the variants or printings that you know of 50 Cent? This really is a tough one and doesn't have an easy point like Zaps 0, 1 and 2. (of course both sport a 50 cent cover price. Not sure a scan would be of much help as by using your purported 1st as a point of reference is tough due to it's having seen much better days.....how tall is your first, btw?
Quote from: 50Cent #II (1st print) on May 17, 2008, 05:02:29 PM
That pic. of "Head First" isn't from a first print of #2.
But how do we know that? I'd have to see a copy of the "Head 1st" you're referring to before I could go along with that. Mine definitely has the heavy cover stock, tho.
-Projunior
Here's a pic of the "Head First" miscut from another thread on another board:
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As for the Zap 3, when you see the first, it looks different. Don't ask me how, maybe the lack of brightness of the cover compared to later prints. When a dealer I know puts puts out his $10 ugs (all unbagged no less) I could just tell it was different.
Quote from: dr_s on May 17, 2008, 08:33:05 PM
As for the Zap 3, when you see the first, it looks different. Don't ask me how, maybe the lack of brightness of the cover compared to later prints. When a dealer I know puts puts out his $10 ugs (all unbagged no less) I could just tell it was different.
Just looking at the two I referred to above, there is an obvious difference in size and brightness or intensity of color. The thicker, more matte-like issue has more of a dull sheen to it, if that makes any sense. Not sure if it would be as easy to discern if I didn't have at least the two side by side, though.
Those Zap covers are why I bought a micrometer.
Quote from: Reverend on May 17, 2008, 08:22:31 PM
Here's a pic of the "Head First" miscut from another thread on another board:
Hmmm ... I guess the miscut means that the upper margin is wider & the bottom margin is narrower or almost nonexistent, it looks like. Interesting. I seem to have a copy that has the 1st printing cover but the 2nd printing "Head 1st" strip. Wonder if that's the 1.5th printing? <g>
-Projunior
If you navigate to the tail end of 50C's article here, you can read all you wanted to know and more about Zap #2's early print editions:
http://headcomix.info/wiki/doku.php?id=the_written_word
Quote from: ProJunior on May 18, 2008, 02:05:20 AM
Quote from: Reverend on May 17, 2008, 08:22:31 PM
Here's a pic of the "Head First" miscut from another thread on another board:
Hmmm ... I guess the miscut means that the upper margin is wider & the bottom margin is narrower or almost nonexistent, it looks like. Interesting. I seem to have a copy that has the 1st printing cover but the 2nd printing "Head 1st" strip. Wonder if that's the 1.5th printing? <g>
-Projunior
It means it's a 2nd print.
Quote from: over40artist on May 18, 2008, 04:34:05 AM
If you navigate to the tail end of 50C's article here, you can read all you wanted to know and more about Zap #2's early print editions:
http://headcomix.info/wiki/doku.php?id=the_written_word
hanks O40A, it was a start of an article to just became a huge collection of unedited notes, maybe I'll put it into something coherent some day, but there is a lot of info. in it, some hasn't been documented.
The Zap #3 is on hold pending payment.
As for the cover, it's matte or maybe a satin finish, but it is no where near glossy smooth like all my there 20 something copies. When the new buyer gets it, they may want to post their opinion for a 2nd point of view which I'm sure will help...
I'm including a thicker and thinner glossy cover version for comparison, between those 2 it's not easy at first to tell the difference, but if you rub it with your finger tip (wash them with soap first so you don't leave fingerprints), and more easily, if you bend them (not to crease them) then it's more apparent.
Quote from: over40artist on May 18, 2008, 04:34:05 AM
If you navigate to the tail end of 50C's article here, you can read all you wanted to know and more about Zap #2's early print editions:
http://headcomix.info/wiki/doku.php?id=the_written_word
Thanx for the tip. I'll check it out.
-Projunior
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It means it's a 2nd print.
Or, as Don Donahue put it, a "corrected version of the 1st."The first printing (or, if you prefer, the first state or version of the first printing) is, of course, the one that has "Head First" coming off [the bottom of] the page. The weight of the cover stock ranges from slightly heavier than "regular" to a lot heavier than "regular."
The 2nd printing (or the corrected version of the first) has covers identical in every way to those of the uncorrected version, with the same range of weights.
Lotta good info in that 50 cent article that Over40artist put me onto. So the FPG says that the 1st printing has heavy cover stock & a messed up "Head 1st" & that the 2nd printing is lighter cover stock with a normal "Head 1st." That means that mine is neither since it has the heavy cover stock of the 1st but the normal margins of the 2nd. That should make it something separate, I'd think. All we need to do now is to come up with the proper category for it.
-Projr. :01_bounce:
Since collecting UG is probably closer to collecting books than comic books, Is your copy a 1st printing, 2nd state? It's what happens when an error is caught in the midst of the first printing, corrected and then the run is continued. 1st printing, 1st state is still the earliest edition, though.......as I think more about it, weren't the rest of the true first printings destroyed except for the 500 saved for the release party(Head-First miscut)? The guts of your copy is indeed a second printing, not a corrected first printing. The cover is a hold over from the first, but I guess you could have a second printing in a first state "dust jacket" sort of thing....sounds more confusing....but that is what it appears to be akin to....anyone?
Quote from: wpbooks on May 18, 2008, 05:16:58 PM
Since collecting UG is probably closer to collecting books than comic books, Is your copy a 1st printing, 2nd state?
That sounds like a good term to use. I'd certainly be happy with it.QuoteIt's what happens when an error is caught in the midst of the first printing, corrected and then the run is continued. 1st printing, 1st state is still the earliest edition, though.......
Quite right. I have no argument with that.Quoteas I think more about it, weren't the rest of the true first printings destroyed except for the 500 saved for the release party(Head-First miscut)?
Yep, I'm pretty sure that's what 50 cents said in his article.QuoteThe guts of your copy is indeed a second printing, not a corrected first printing. The cover is a hold over from the first, but I guess you could have a second printing in a first state "dust jacket" sort of thing....sounds more confusing....but that is what it appears to be akin to....anyone?
Confusing is the word, man!!! I'd be happy for more input on this myself.
-Projunior :01_bounce:
Actually, it's a true 2nd print as Donahue states. The error was caught, approx. 500 copies bound, the guts were pulped and the 2nd print of approx. 4,500 run corrected and the covers of the first print were bound to the 2nd print guts.
Quote from: 50Cent #II (1st print) on May 18, 2008, 11:37:55 PM
Actually, it's a true 2nd print as Donahue states. The error was caught, approx. 500 copies bound, the guts were pulped and the 2nd print of approx. 4,500 run corrected and the covers of the first print were bound to the 2nd print guts.
That'd seem to indicate that it's a 1st print/2nd print combo then, w/a 1st print cover & 2nd print guts. Interesting.
-Projunior
Quote from: 50Cent #II (1st print) on May 18, 2008, 11:37:55 PM
Actually, it's a true 2nd print as Donahue states. The error was caught, approx. 500 copies bound, the guts were pulped and the 2nd print of approx. 4,500 run corrected and the covers of the first print were bound to the 2nd print guts.
It's undoubtedly the number of miscut copies (500) that constitute a "printing" in this instance. If, let's say, only 10 such copies escaped before the error was caught, it would be just that, an error edition, which it still is in a sense, especially being that the same covers were used. So, essentially, the first and second "printings" have the same covers but different guts. Not really a true second printing any way you slice it.
My understanding is that printing would go by the guts of a comic book (the heart or story), not by the wrapper around the story. Like using Blazing Combat covers over coverless guts of different titles, Overstreet wouldn't consider those "Blazing Combats", but the title of the guts with a different cover on it.
It's how you perceive it.
Personally, I look at every ingredient. To me, the miscut will forever be an error edition or, more accurately, the first state of the first printing. However, that doesn't discourage me from owning one of each.
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