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Found this portion of Stack interviewing Shelton for TCJ...

"STACK: What was the genesis of Wonder Wart-Hog?

SHELTON: The idea for this character came to me one day as I was walking down the street in New York in '61. I even remember exactly where I was, it was the corner of Avenue of the Americas and 45th Street, not that that had anything to do with it.

STACK: I remember the early roughs you did, on yellow sheets of paper. In fact, I may even still have some of them stuck off in my files someplace.

SHELTON: I was working on the first Wonder Wart-Hog story in the fall and winter of '61, when you and I lived in the same neighborhood on the upper west side of Manhattan. The first story was actually written by Bill Killeen, the former editor and publisher of Charlatan, the student humor magazine at Oklahoma State University. I had shown Killeen my ideas for the Wart-Hog strip, which was to start with the origin of the hero, and he told me I shouldn't start with the origin, I should start with the fully-developed character and come back later to the origin. He offered to write a story himself, which he would then publish in Charlatan magazine, which he intended to start publishing in his hometown of Lawrence, Massachusetts, now that he no longer attended Oklahoma State University.

STACK: So Wonder Wart-Hog was first published in Charlatan magazine?

SHELTON: No. There was a new college humor magazine that had been started back in Austin, called Bacchanal. The editor of Bacchanal, Dave Crossley, was one of a group of guys who had been fired from the staff of the Texas Ranger for sneaking obscenities into the illustrations and text. Bacchanal was going to be distributed at all the Southwest Conference colleges, and there was a lot of enthusiasm for this project. The magazine was well-done, with inside color and everything, but unfortunately it only lasted for two issues, March and April of '62. The first two Wonder Wart-Hog stories appeared in these."

Found that Dave did this work in The Texas Ranger before Bacchanal...
"Dobie on First Classism" by David Crossley in The Ranger [interview], September 1961

And here is another reference:
http://books.google.com/books?id=nE-Ia7JMq3YC&pg=PA228&lpg=PA228&dq=%22dave+crossley%22+bacchanal&source=web&ots=7RD5BznnbB&sig=ffaMxVwQjJ29Q4Mr0gndp_l42ls

[jaylynch]

It's all in how you define what is underground.  Shelton did lots of really crazy one panel gag cartoons in the late '50s.  They weren't strips...But then again, neither were most of the cartoons that ran in the public gallery section of HELP.  Does it have to be a strip to be underground?  Bhob Stewart did a strip called JC in the Realist, about the adventures of Christ pretty early on.  The Realist started in '58.  By '63, Bhob and I were already old timers in the cartoonin' biz...But we didn't do strips then.  We just did one panel gags.  We did strips in Wild and the fanzines...but the stuff we sold to real magazines was one panel stuff...and we didn't concentrate on strips until Crumb came out with Zap.  I wrote comic strip type stuff for Sick and Cracked but the art was by Bob Poowel and Bill Ward...and Bhob wrote strips for Castle of Frankenstein and the monster mags in '63 or thereabouts that other people drew...But mostly the stuff we actually drew ourselves was one panel things in those days.  Hey...You know I'm still in touch with Joe Pilati, who did Smudge?  Today he does this stuff http://corporatecampaign.org    If you click on the Coca Cola thing...and scroll down to the bottom of the page, I did most of the art on the posters and flyers there.  And they made a movie about Dohler, which covers his WILD days.   info on that is at http://bbbmovie.com
         College mags go back to the beginnings of the colleges...in the 1800s.  In my lifetime, most college mags had the look of The NEW YORKER until Hefner did SHAFT magazine when he was at the University of Illinois.  Shaft , and later Playboy and Harry Shearer's college mag SATYR at UCLA made the outlaw college mags of the day something that interested me and Skip and Spiegelman and Shelton...and we got involved in the whole college mag scene..Terry Gilliam did a mag called FANG ....it was a whole subculture and we were all in touch with each other...and then came acid....and the underground press.  There was a straight college humor mag at FSU called Smoke Signals that kind of kissed the ass of the college administration.  So Killeen did Charlatan as an alternative to it.  We used to call it Schmuck Signals.  Joel Beck was doing one called Pelican at a college in California.  When he printed his early books he was a regular contributor to Pelican.  But Pelican had a direct opposite mag too, that was edited by Bruce Henshtal...his was a mag of moderation.  'Twas sad.  For Henshtal, years prior to that, edited SCONE, which was a nice pro-Kurtzman fanzine in the early '60s.   I dunno....the whole thing just goes on and on... And the tradition goes back to 1910 or so...With HP Lovecraft and his Amateur Press Association.  And it probably goes back further than that...to ancient Greece...with their erotic underground vases...

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Rosenkranz sent me this Charlatan index from CounterMedia #4.

The Vol. 1 #1 (1963) I won states Tallahassee, Florida though...

[jaylynch]

In the Hog Moves Out issue, I don't have a cartoon.  I do have a fumetti type thing called "Money Talks", though.  It's photos of U.S. coins with funny captions in dialog baloons.

This was during the fumetti craze.  Kurtzman did fumettis in Help...Shel Silverstein did  a fumetti thing called TV JEEBIES in Playboy...   

All of the Charlatans listed here seem to be Talahassee Charlatans.  There was a Stilwater , Oklahoma version a few years before, though.     

[jaylynch]

Oh wait...I see the coin photo thing listed in a later issue.  Hmmm....Well he's probably correct on that.

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For .99 cents, what the hell
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and since additional shipping is free, one of these for $4.99
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Hey, just picked up a copy of the Realist #74 (May 1967) for $21.50.  That's the infamous Wally Wood's "The Disneyland Memorial Orgy" centerfold issue...

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My first Chicago Mirror #1 (don't know yet if it's a 1st or 2nd print)  $10.50

[dr_s]

Please don't say that it has 2 printings.

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Why?  Kennedy guide says the cover of the 1st print has matt paper, 2nd print has light weight glossy paper as per Jay in the guide.

Funny that the FUG doesn't show 2 prints.

Do you know something we don't Dr., or were you not aware of 2 printings?

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$21.26


$22.50

[oldmilwaukee6er]

Your acquisition rate is downright badazz 50c!

[dr_s]

Unlike others, I got most of my 1st print knowledge from other collectors and not the guide. In fact, I rarely go to the guide except to know what I am missing or to check a first print of something like Mr Naturals and  Motor City 1. (After years, I can finally spot the tell on that last one) I always assumed that there was only one printing of the Mirror. I also assumed that the ones I got from Jay and Jerry were firsts. Now I have to check and find out if I have a first. Hope I don't have to add another to the list now that Poor Farm 1 is gone. See, I really don't know everything, or at 109 (my birthday was this month) it may be just senility.

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Thanks OM, hope they keep coming...
Dr_S, I leaning towards the second one... j/k.

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$10