Anyone word on this?
Jason
Nothing that I'm aware of. The only thing of note I see "Coming Soon" (http://www.lastgasp.com/1/8/0/) from Last Gasp (http://www.lastgasp.com/) is their Official Dealer McDope Dealing Game (http://www.lastgasp.com/d/30123/).
Where did you first hear this rumor?
From Jay and he asked me something in regards to Wilson. I mean maybe he is putting ideas in my head or something but some how I think I do recall Wilson saying to me something about working on a page for Zap when I spoke to him... However... This could have been prior to the issue that is already out because I know it was not mentioned the last time I did speak to Wilson.
Maybe I read into what Jay said.
At any rate, I am certainly confused and from what Wilson said about Turner last time I spoke to him... It would seem strange.
Jason
Wonder if they can get Crumb to make one more contribution to the Zap pantheon. His stories in recent issues were some of the most illuminating and funny ever. If Crumb can find time for Mineshaft, surely he can find time for #16.
Yeah unless it is a matter or principle but I'm sure with him money talks... Now what is strange about that is Mineshaft does not pay.
Jason
Yeah, and Zap will have to pay him more than anyone else. There must be a rift between Crumb and S. Clay, who opposed Crumb's belief that Zap should be opened to other artists besides the core group.
I think they should keep the original artist at this point, I mean why mess with such a great group of artists? How many strips to you see from Robt. Williams these days? Would you really bump him or one of the other key artist for say... Dan Clowes!?
Think about it...
Jason
No, no, absolutely not. I agree they should keep the original artists at this point. The rift really began 30+ years ago, and ever since then it became increasingly hard for the other artists to recruit Crumb to contribute. They always managed it, though, and that led to some funny comics in the latter issues of the series.
No, at this point, Zap should be preserved for those classic UG artists until they all fade away.... And then the title should probably be retired, don't you think?
Quote from: over40artist on November 28, 2007, 11:25:23 PM
No, at this point, Zap should be preserved for those classic UG artists until they all fade away.... And then the title should probably be retired, don't you think?
Yeah I agree... I think they should stick to the original group and then put it to bed there after.
Jason
But just think it they added new artists, then they could put a new issue out every few months or so and not every few years, more like Crumb wanted. I would rather have that...
Quantity is no substitute for quality IMO.
I disagree...
Jason
I'd be happy to submit work for it, if given the chance.
Most cartoonists would.
In comics and comix, there are always more cartoonists available then there is outlets for them to publish their works.
It might cheapen the Zap image, true, but then other works have allowed new talent to grow by allowing them a chance.
Yeah but that is why there is Blab! and that started out as a great publication!
Jason
Current issue of Blab! is $22.95, not really a comix or a magazine, but a periodical book.
My point was not the price but the content.
Jason
Quote from: awillis on November 29, 2007, 07:24:34 PM
I'd be happy to submit work for it, if given the chance.
Most cartoonists would.
In comics and comix, there are always more cartoonists available then there is outlets for them to publish their works.
It might cheapen the Zap image, true, but then other works have allowed new talent to grow by allowing them a chance.
No doubt, awillis, there are more cartoonists available than there are outlets for them to publish, but we are talking about Zap Comix. No disrespect to you or any other cartoonist, but Zap is sacred ground, not only for pure UG collectors but also for comic book historians. I would prefer that the Zap image not be "cheapened" by suddenly changing its 39-year history and becoming some sort of bi-monthly that helps open the doors for aspiring cartoonists. There are other resources for that.
If Zap were to continue, I'd rather see it feature the work of the very best and well-known alt cartoonists like Bagge, Clowes, Charles Burns, etc., producing classic cutting edge comic stories.
But I really don't even want that. If Zap can squeeze out a 16th issue, that would be a nice, even number to end the series. Then it would remain a single, monumentally important comic book series that revolutionized the industry when it debuted and featured high-quality work from its original contributors (and a tiny handful of others, like Mavrides) for 40 years.
I really would prefer that than witness a future that someday sees the publication of Zap Comix #59, featuring a dozen artists and writers who don't even know who Victor Moscoso and Spain Rodriguez are.
^^ I think that pretty much sum's it up for me.
Jason
My point was that most cartoonists would love to submit work for it.
Ron Turner, being the quality editor that he is, would obviously reject any work not deemed to fit.
I would assume all the original artists would have a say, also.
There may be contractual items and trademark ownership with the original artists that would not allow others to submit, but it doesn't mean that the desire to do so by, dare I say it, lesser UG artists is diminished.
It is the pinnacle of underground Titles as it was one of the first.
One of the reasons I started drawing UG's.
And every cartoonist and writer has their own abilities and likes as well as those that read and purchase them.
Let he who lives in the glass house cast the first stone.
All the rest of us can watch. :icon_jokercolor:
Word is that Zap 16 will be published by a fancy major publisher. I don't know if it's true, though. But all that stuff that was so underground in the old days now is pretty respectable. . Today is Dec.7th...Friday. Check out Hy and Lois in the Sunday newspaper comics on Dec. 9th (2 days from now). Not only is Chip reading an old copy of Zap in panel 1...He is also half finished reading Ginzberg's HOWL in the final panel.
These are topsy turbsy times.
Jason :tongue3:
Check out Hy and Lois today (Sunday, Dec. 9th). Not only is Chip reading an old Zap in panel 1, but in the last panel he is half way through Ginsborg' s HOWL.
Why is it that I can only post one line? Anyway...last panel Chip reads Ginsberg.
Quote from: jaylynch on December 09, 2007, 06:03:48 AM
Why is it that I can only post one line? Anyway...last panel Chip reads Ginsberg.
One line? Could you explain, I'm not sure I follow...
Thanks.
Jason